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Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:29 am

I live just outside the path of totality in western Oregon.
My plan was to head over to a friends house in eastern Oregon yesterday and hag with him till the big show, wait a day and head home.
Unfortunately, the whole west coast figured the same thing.
15 mile long traffic jams, gas lines, crazy people, stress.
I decided to stay home, screw the crowds.
Ill go out in the field next door and watch it from home.
Use the wasted travel time to make something beautiful (ish).

I hope wherever you are isn't as crazy and you get a great view. :smart:

That said,
It might be nice to see some ideas or examples of the solar eclipse in Tsuba form.

Could it be done tastefully?
Are there any Japanese Tsuba with the theme?
How would it be shown clearly what the design intent was?

I'm thinking an iron body, either pierced, or perhaps a shakudo moon with silver rays, etc around the edge.
Anyone up for some sketching?
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Albert R » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:58 am

I've seen two tsuba with constellation and moon theme, and many with the moon as an accessory figure.
I would suppose that an interesting and balanced design could be conjured up by some of the more adept artists in the house!

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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:21 am

I found a few Tsuba with a moon or sun theme on Pinterest but no eclipse ones.

Funny, most of the ones I've been saving seem to be from some dude named after a car company.
Ford something....
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Albert R » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Jim,
I have no technical skills in this matter whatsoever, but I should think a textured shakudo moon with a subtle gold halo, and an accurate but subdued star field would look extraordinary! All of this on Iron of course!
Marcus has the chops for a project like this!

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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Wow!
So the eclipse was incredible!
Very inspiring and beautiful, the moon was a black disk, the sun was very strange, until boom!
The whole thing covered, the corona was white glow streaming out from the ring.
I saw a purple diamond ring peeking out as it shifted past totality.
An eclipse Tsuba would be so cool, I'm going to take a stab at a design.
Even if its terrible, I'll learn from the exercise.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:18 pm

I am thinking a simple iron Tsuba similar to this one, with a subtle moon/sun eclipse with shakudo and silver for the sun corona, baily's beads.
About 3/4 of the disk shown with 1/4 off the edge of the Tsuba.
Maybe either pierced star or two, or silver dot inlay.

This one is from my two Tsuba collection, bought on a katana way back PC. (Pre-children)
I know nothing about it, any ideas or info would be helpful.
I'll post the other one some time too.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Albert R » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:23 am

I think you're on the right track, though I think the tsuba pictured may be a bit to rustic.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:10 am

I was thinking more of the shape and layout.
Maybe use a similar treatment around bottom of the rim to suggest a landscape, horizon or water perhaps.
A little more refined surface patina would be good.
Blackened rust with wax would be good I think.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Doug Sanders » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:57 pm

I came across this while on Pinterest yesterday. It was attributed to the Boston MFA collection.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Ford » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:44 pm

wow! Doug, that's really interesting. i've never seen the moon depicted like that in metal before. very clever too.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Albert R » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:44 pm

Horizon Yes! Did not think of that, excellent idea.
If I may, refer to Ford's post on the fundamentals of tsuba design, and design the plate first. Get all the functional parts in place, and then add the artistic components. I think that will allow you to position things and allow for the subtle nuances of a tsuba's practical considerations.

MFA: Tsuba with design of bird and moon
All the juicy detail therein contained! Thanks Doug!

Great idea Jim!
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Jim J » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:23 pm

Awesome! that's almost exactly what I was thinking.
The moon with subtle details, ( how was it done?) the sun peeking out with some bright spots and rays coming out.

I have been reading as much of this site as I can get time for.
So much information here it's going to take years to go thru it a all.
I only recently came across the site.
Yes, please do suggest pertinent threads. There are so many inspiring ideas!
Thank you all for the ideas and replies.
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Re: Solar eclipse tsuba challenge

Postby Albert R » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:29 pm

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Always a pleasure!
Due to Ford's leadership, generosity of time and knowledge, along with the efforts and contributions of many others, this space exists for all of us to share and learn. I have read almost every thread (in a couple or three of the sub-forums) over the course of time, and I keep on finding new information almost on a daily basis. Having said that, don't ever be afraid to ask any question, because many people here will remember a thread or comment, and point you in the right direction or tell you straight.
Do remember that on certain sub-forums, the information and responses are very traditional. In other words, if your go to the "Show and Tell" or the "Show and Listen" sub-forums, you're going to get an unvarnished, straight up, no holds barred, constructive opinions on your work, based on traditional techniques and aesthetics.

I've been here for a few years, and I have yet to produce anything worth anyone's time. (Soon though I think I might though!) But more importantly I have learned far more than just how to saw through 1/4 inch steel with a hair thin saw blade. I've learned to see things in a different light, through different lens, and found beauty in the simplest of lines.

Luckily you can draw, so you're way ahead of me... :biggrin:

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