Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Roger E » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:23 pm

great thanks for the clarification
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby fkvesic » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:46 am

Being ignorant of the whole process, what happens to scrap metal left over from the forming process, or mistakes? Is it melted down and re-used, or just scrapped? I presume the precious metals are saved, but the others?
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Ford » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:33 am

I recycle all the non-ferrous metal but don't have the facilities to rework steel and iron....yet.
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Buddy S » Sun May 20, 2012 9:31 pm

Very interesting idea, something I will have to try out myself:)

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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Buddy S » Mon May 21, 2012 2:59 pm

Perhaps this may be a silly question, however is there a rule or standard set of demensions for fuchi and kashira?
If I am well off base, please forgive me, I have a few sets around my studio I was going to use as a referance but thought to ask first;)

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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Etienne » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:25 pm

very nice fuchi and kashira! i think the owner will be quite pleased with the results. you make all those things look easy to do :P
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Trevor W » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:22 pm

Ford or others,

For the few of the shitodome I see in your work they are always soldered tubes, with soldered face material for the rim. In watching some videos from Walter Sorrels on YouTube I believe he uses a method where the soldered tube is upset into the rim shape which is then worked with files.

Is the upsetting a western/modern shortcut, an old shortcut on less demanding work or is it just another method when using a cheaper metal throughout?
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Ford » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:40 pm

I've never seen the upsetting approach on antique work. Then again, many non-Japanese blade makers are not experts on Japanese methods nor design aesthetics when it come to fittings and koshirae so you'll see quite a bit that looks very odd to educated eyes.
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Ford » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:03 pm

Trovor, I just had a quick look at Walter Sorrell's videos and while they're well-meaning, I'm sure, and probably just what many DIY chaps want I will have to be a purist and suggest that his general approach is not well grounded in the tradition at all and therefore not what I'd like to promote here. :Peace: I do find his films entertaining though, he's an amusing man, it seems :biggrin:
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Trevor W » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:10 pm

Thanks for looking at the source, Ford. In reference to shitodome and koshira Walter's and the work of Dave Friesen are my two first examples. It was clear in the differences that soldering on a separate piece is more refined. I won't bother attempting any other methods.
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Lucas C » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:43 am

Dears,
I'm new to this forum and I have been studying how to make my own fuchi and kashira.
Recently I made a set (mild steel plate and wooden male) and made copper some pieces, but I'm not very satisfied with the results.
I'm planning to make a steel male too but I would like to understand some things better before going that way, so basically I have 3 questions:

1- Is the die used for fuchi the same used for kashira?
2- If so, how do you shape a flat surface at the fuchi? By cutting and soldering a flat piece at the top?
3- In my case, I noticed that after some hammering, the material tends to wrap over itself making it nearly impossible to continue working, even with annealed copper. Is there a way to avoid this?

I'm sorry if any of this questions sound obvious, but I couldn't figure it out by myself. :rolleyes:
Thanks in advance
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Mac » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:18 am

Not exactly sure what your issue is with 'bending fuchi'. They are made with the bottom plate fitted and soldered in. Have a good look around this forum and you will find explanations of basic techniques. If you form your fuchi strip as a round and solder you can then set the correct shape over an oval wooded mandrel. Most fuchi have taper from the base to the top, This can be achieved by hammering one side of your 'ring' wider over a steel ring mandrel before setting the oval shape.
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Ford » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:02 am

Lucas

you'll find a photo sequence showing the making of fuchi in iron in my Picasa album here.

Kashira are generally slightly smaller than their fuchi. In fact on many pairs the kashira can just fit inside the fuchi. The metal thickness is around 1.8 to 2mm thick.
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Lucas C » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:04 am

Mac,
I was thinking that for making the fuchi you would use a hammered plate instead of a metal strip wraped over the male die and soldered. If this was possible one solder could be avoided, but it looks like it is not feasible. Thanks for clarifying.

Ford,
This album is amazing, so many details explained. Thanks for the enlightment.
I think I'll be able to make better pieces now.
Thank you very much!
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Re: Making a fuchi and kashira with shitodome

Postby Mac » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:31 am

I have made one using a washer but you are making a 'Rod for your own back'. If Ford Hallam shows you a technique the wise follow it.
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